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today on the show we're celebrating the

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53rd

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anniversary of the shag harbor ufo

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crash landing

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this is somewhere in the skies with ryan

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sprague

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it's a small fishing village in a modest

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canadian province

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it's not a place you would expect to

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host one of the most well-documented

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ufo incidents of all time yet in october

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of 1967 shag harper became the canadian

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equivalent of the historically

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omnipresent roswell incident

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on this 53rd anniversary of this

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canadian incident

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let's take a look back at just exactly

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what happened in the waters of shag

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harbour

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its relevance and eerie similarities to

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the navy

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ufo encounters in recent years and where

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this case

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lay in the annals of ufo history

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it was october 4th 1967

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at approximately 7 15 pm air canada

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flight 305 pilots

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captain pierre charbonneau and first

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officer

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robert ralph were flying above quebec

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about 180 miles west of nova scotia

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everything was perfectly routine until

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they noticed something

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trailing their plane they witnessed a

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massive

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rectangular-shaped object orange in

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color

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gliding through the skies trailing the

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rectangle

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were small orange orbs that seemed

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almost like a tail to the main object

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the pilots watched with growing concern

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for several minutes

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when suddenly there was some sort of

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explosion

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near the rectangle a large white cloud

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was left behind sporadically changing

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colors from red to blue

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two minutes later another explosion

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occurred

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leaving behind a similar cloud of colors

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the pilots watched in amazement as the

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small orbs swarmed around the rectangle

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and along with it descended into a thick

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cloud cover

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and disappeared out of sight

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both pilots visibly shaken reported the

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incident when they finally

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landed meanwhile back on the ground

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residents of shag harbour would report

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seeing four orange lights

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in tight formation flashing in rapid

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sequence across the night sky

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a group of teens that were out fishing

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noticed that the lights were making a

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brisk descent towards

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the water but instead of disappearing

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the lights seemed to float effortlessly

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before disappearing into the water one

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of those

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teens was laurie wilkins here he is

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describing what he and his friends saw

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that night many years ago

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in the nova scotia skies it was an

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evening somewhere around

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10 30 we was going up through roughly

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where we are now here in

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shag harbor when we noticed some lights

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from here up that way across the road

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going along i don't know captain what we

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noticed at first but that

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they were going in sequence one would be

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second they'd all go off

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and if that sequence seemed to start

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and as we were driving along it seemed

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to be going along with us

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and then as we get up towards where the

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school is now it seems to take a

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45 degree angle from going along level

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tipping down and if we

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north we were going right through on the

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highway by the school

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and we got to where there was a hell and

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was a low pace and it was coming up the

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hill as the light was going

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we lost sight of it and then when we got

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the top of the hill we could see the

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in the meantime we thought it was a

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plane he'd cry so we went and

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saw the rcmp from a phone booth in

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mujarbar and

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more likes didn't believe us and the

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first thing he asked me is what we were

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drinking i said we had

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man so in here we did get the phone

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number from where the phone was and i

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went to get the car leading the phone

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that's when he asked me where we could

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meet where we see it out or where we

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could meet i don't

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what we call the moss plant that's where

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the

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water you know we brought our flipping

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down with the toys

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and we must have been there five seven

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minutes before the rtmp

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got there there was four people three

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other people with me

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in the car so as we watched it dressed

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in and when the rcb got there there was

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two cars

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one come first then the second one there

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was two in one and one on the other but

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how far apart them cars were people

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negative watching there's a few more

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people coming as we watched it breath

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down we had to walk to the top of the

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hill

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then we must watch it 20 minutes roughly

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all together then it

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just disappeared and the lightning

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in the meantime they'd call the class of

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the clock driver for the coast guard to

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come in some

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local fishermen here we've seen it

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they've gone and getting their boat i

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heard about it and when it

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started looking to see if there was any

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wreckage or anything and we never seen

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and anyhow so the next day until that

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me and some of the mounties we had

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epilepsy we could find anything we could

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see no wreckage of no

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whatsoever another witness who'd been

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fishing quickly phoned the rcmp

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to report the crash of an aircraft

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the police dispatcher brushed off the

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young man

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believing him to have been inebriated

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but soon over a dozen other calls

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flooded the station

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police immediately went out to

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unbeknownst to the royal canadian

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mounted police

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constable ron pound was patrolling an

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area near the alleged incident

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he witnessed the four orange lights

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moving at tremendous speeds

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as he himself sped up his vehicle he

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believed the four lights to all be

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connected

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to a single aircraft and estimated it to

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be about 60 feet

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in length he reached the shoreline where

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he was soon joined by fellow officers

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police corporal victor warbicki and

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constable

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ron o'brien along with over 30 other

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witnesses

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they all watched as the orange light

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slowly changed to a yellowish tint

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and moved eerily slow across the surface

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of the water

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leaving a similar yellowish colored foam

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in its wake

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some witnesses claimed to have seen the

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actual structure

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of the object reporting it as

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dome-shaped

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due to the exhaustive dedication by

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mufon investigators

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chris styles and don ledger they were

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able to compile a list

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of first-hand witnesses and individuals

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involved with the search and recovery

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what follows appears to be the most

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accurate timeline

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according to their research the canadian

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was called to the scene but before they

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two rcmp officers had already secured

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local fishermen's boats and headed

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towards the area

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for a possible search and rescue mission

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the lights were no longer visible but

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the yellow foam

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remained the officers and fishermen

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who assisted all said that the foam was

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like no seafoam

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they'd ever seen before much thicker

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they had to cut their way through it

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just to look for survivors of the

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supposed crash landing

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after several hours of searching nothing

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could be found

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the rcmp along with the coast guard

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their local norad station and the rescue

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coordination center

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asking if there'd been any reports that

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evening of a missing aircraft either

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civilian or military they had nothing

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the following morning of october 5th the

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canadian forces headquarters

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sent out specially trained divers from

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the navy

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and rcmp to systematically search the

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seabed in the alleged area

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where the crash had occurred they

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searched for several days

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but found absolutely nothing

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local newspapers begin to circulate

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speculative

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theories of a russian spacecraft

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submarine

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or spy satellite being the enigmatic

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there were also rumors that the united

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investigation

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into the incident on october 9th five

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after the mysterious object sank off the

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shoreline

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and into the abyss the search for the

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craft in the water

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had been called off after extensive

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nothing of course some will argue that

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evidence could have been found and was

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concealed from the public eye

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when one considers the fact that there

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a secret u.s military base monitoring

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subterranean and underwater frequencies

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for russian submarine activity just 30

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from the crash site the search for the

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ufo at shag harbor was

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conducted during a highly charged period

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in canada's history

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the space race was on and so was the

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cold war

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russian submarines were known to

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frequent the east coast

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and the americans were testing all

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manners of devices

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to spy on their common foes including

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crude spy satellites that ejected film

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canisters at high altitudes

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while the official records provide no

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explanation for

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what happened there are vague clues

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pointing to another incident about 50

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kilometers

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north just off the coast of shelburne

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in his co-author 2001 book dark object

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chris styles says he eventually

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interviewed former military insiders

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and members of the navy's fleet diving

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unit

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who told him the orange orb spotted in

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shag harbor

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had submerged under its own power and

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traveled

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to a spot on the seabed off shelburne at

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the time the area was the location

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for a top-secret military base disguised

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as an

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oceanic institute what i was being told

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by the former military

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staff that were involved in search

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effort was that

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while a search was going on in the sound

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of shag harbor

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military personnel already knew that the

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object was no longer there on the seabed

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that it had moved away under the water

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rounded cape sable island had gone up

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the coast and come to rest on the seabed

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off the coast of government point

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which was the location of cfs shelburne

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canada's most secret military base

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the facility used underwater microphones

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and

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magnetic detection devices to track

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enemy submarines but its true purpose

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wasn't revealed until the 1980s

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but when it came to the shag harbor ufo

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incident

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this area known as government point

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seemed to be yet another place where the

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ufo

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made its temporary underwater home

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slowly the headlines made their way to

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the back of the newspapers

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and soon faded into obscurity as

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most ufo cases often do but this

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certainly

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wouldn't be the last we would hear of

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the shag harbor

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ufo story in 2018

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it was announced that celine castell and

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fabian castell

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grandchildren of jacques cousteau were

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heading to nova scotia

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to investigate the incident as part of

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their visit their investigative team

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would carry out an

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underwater search to try to locate the

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craft

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that could possibly still sit at the

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bottom of the water

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while their deep sea investigation did

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not yield a craft or

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materials anomalous activity was

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recorded between their radio

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transmissions

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while underwater when in proximity to

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where the craft was said to have

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submerged

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and even though this new generation of

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casteaus couldn't

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crack the case the fact that their

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investigation

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revealed other anomalous activity is yet

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another layer of unexplained phenomena

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that

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could be attributed to whatever happened

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in 1967

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and as for anomalies it should be noted

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that other weird phenomena has occurred

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in the area

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where the object was said to have

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submerged

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diver david cevette had been surveying

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the ocean floor

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of the shag harbor for years and claimed

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he's discovered

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underwater anomalies or depressions

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in the area where the crash is said to

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have taken place

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the depressions appeared like a dinner

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plate

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with the center being about a foot deep

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and

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perfectly round the covering of this

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depression was comprised

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of pebbles two to four centimeters in

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size

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but there was no sizable rocks or plants

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in the area

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no sea life either it looked as though

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the entire area

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had been swept clear also

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in his own personal research chris

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styles

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was even able to obtain several official

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documents

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through the canadian version of the

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freedom of information act

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one of these documents came from the

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canadian armed forces

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which stated quote the rescue

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coordination center conducted

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preliminary investigation

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and discounted the possibilities that

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the sighting was produced by an aircraft

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flare or any other known objects

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end quote this along with witness

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testimony reports through the rcmp

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and the department of national defense

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convinced stiles

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that something or some things

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were indeed recovered in the waters

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[Music]

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perhaps the most compelling development

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in the shag harbor incident

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is its striking resemblance to the now

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famous

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tic tac ufo incident

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during a routine training mission in

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2004

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off the coast of california commander

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david fravor

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a navy squadron leader was ordered to

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intercept an unidentified object

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caught on radar while trying to visually

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investigate this object

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which he described as being shaped like

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a tic tac

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he watched in amazement as the object

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performed extremely

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unconventional maneuvers reacting to

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fravor's pursuit the object descended

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from 80

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000 feet in altitude to 20 000 feet

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near the surface of the ocean and then

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shot back up to

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65 000 feet within seven

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seconds disappearing completely out of

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sight

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while the tic tac ufo and its incredible

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maneuvers

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were compelling enough what fraver

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described next

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was what moved this to not just a ufo

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but a possible

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unidentified submerged object as well

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in an exclusive interview with

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investigative reporter

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george knapp fraver explained that quote

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it created a disturbance on the water

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uncharacteristic

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of a helicopter or plane you watched it

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for more than five minutes

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you saw it as close as anybody got and

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it was doing something really strange

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over a disturbance in the water yes was

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there something in the water

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we don't know so here's what it is i'll

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say what drew us

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to it is there was it was a perfectly

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calm blue ocean day no white cabs

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and there was white water the white

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water was kind of in the shape of you

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can call it a cross but about the size

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of a 737 so take the 737

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drop it and look at it from the top and

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point it to the east and we're down to

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the south of it

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that's what the white water looked like

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and the tic tac was moving around that

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white water so we didn't see if there

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was something below the surface

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because you know if it's 10 15 feet

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below the surface it's still going to

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cause the waves those swells to break

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over the top of it like a sea mount

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so we didn't we didn't see anything

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below we just know there was something

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causing that water to break over the top

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of it on a perfectly

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like a pristine spectacular san diego

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day is what it was

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as if it was docking or interacting with

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it you know we first came back so what

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was it doing was it trying was it

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was it interacting because obviously we

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talked when we turned around we couldn't

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find the disturbance in the water

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anymore it was gone

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so you know normally if it's a real sea

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mount it's going to be there until

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you know god removes it so in this case

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i go

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we said you know it went was it

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communicating i don't know i really

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don't know but it could have been

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so the real question remains was there

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a submerged object either connected to

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the tic tac ufo

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or literally controlling it we may never

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truly know the answer

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to this question but we can find

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similarities with actions taken by the

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tic tac

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ufo and the object witnessed in shaq

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harbour

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in fact the event in nova scotia meets

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at least

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one of the traits laid out by the former

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director

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of the once secret pentagon ufo program

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luis

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elizondo under the advanced

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aerospace threat identification program

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or

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atip elizondo compiled a list of

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incredible capabilities

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commonly associated with ufo sightings

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he called these traits the five

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observables

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as stated on the to the stars academy

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website

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they include one sudden and

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instantaneous

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acceleration two hypersonic velocities

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without signatures

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three low observability four

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trans-medium travel and 5.

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positive lift if we are to observe the

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actions

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of the shag harbor objects it most

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certainly hits number 4

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trans-medium travel everything we build

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is purpose-specific for its environment

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a plane looks like a plane

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has wings has engines has a rudder has a

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nose because it has to be aerodynamic

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yet here's an object that can operate

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just as easily in atmosphere in space

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and potentially even underwater and yet

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it doesn't change its design

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characteristics

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any one of these mind you would be an

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absolute game changer for

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any foreign adversary to have just one

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of them it would be a game changer

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this and several other observables make

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the shag harbor object

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most certainly an enigma and while its

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performance may have in fact been

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compromised that day

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in the skies and eventually in the

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waters

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of nova scotia it begs for continued

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investigation both by the united states

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and its northern neighbor

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while it remains a mystery the shag

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harbor incident lives on

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permanently at the shag harbor

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interpretive center

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this welcoming center chronicles the

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sighting in great

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detail allowing visitors to view

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television documentaries

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newspaper articles and an impressive

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exhibit

580
00:21:43,270 --> 00:21:40,000
on outer space it's quite clear

581
00:21:46,070 --> 00:21:43,280
that canada is not done with this case

582
00:21:46,630 --> 00:21:46,080
and neither are the rest of us every

583
00:21:48,549 --> 00:21:46,640
year

584
00:21:49,990 --> 00:21:48,559
thousands of people from all over the

585
00:21:52,710 --> 00:21:50,000
world make a trek

586
00:21:54,710 --> 00:21:52,720
to shag harbour grab some lunch and take

587
00:21:58,310 --> 00:21:54,720
in the interpretive center

588
00:21:59,270 --> 00:21:58,320
the town also hosts an amazing annual

589
00:22:01,110 --> 00:21:59,280
conference

590
00:22:03,110 --> 00:22:01,120
inviting speakers from all over the

591
00:22:06,390 --> 00:22:03,120
world to talk about ufos

592
00:22:08,549 --> 00:22:06,400
and of course the shag harbor incident

593
00:22:11,190 --> 00:22:08,559
yours truly was supposed to speak at

594
00:22:13,190 --> 00:22:11,200
this year's shag harbor ufo expo

595
00:22:15,270 --> 00:22:13,200
but then the world kinda went on

596
00:22:17,029 --> 00:22:15,280
lockdown so i'm looking forward to

597
00:22:19,990 --> 00:22:17,039
speaking in shag harbor

598
00:22:21,350 --> 00:22:20,000
in the fall of 2021 and i hope to see

599
00:22:25,510 --> 00:22:21,360
all of you there

600
00:22:29,830 --> 00:22:28,230
so what can truly be said about the shag

601
00:22:32,549 --> 00:22:29,840
harper incident

602
00:22:34,630 --> 00:22:32,559
the extraordinary testimonies given to

603
00:22:37,909 --> 00:22:34,640
chris styles and don ledger

604
00:22:40,230 --> 00:22:37,919
were said to be highly credible

605
00:22:41,830 --> 00:22:40,240
however their names remain confidential

606
00:22:44,149 --> 00:22:41,840
to protect them from possible

607
00:22:45,029 --> 00:22:44,159
threat or security oaths by many of the

608
00:22:47,830 --> 00:22:45,039
military

609
00:22:48,710 --> 00:22:47,840
involvement therefore the aforementioned

610
00:22:50,950 --> 00:22:48,720
information

611
00:22:51,990 --> 00:22:50,960
just like most witness testimony by

612
00:22:54,870 --> 00:22:52,000
military

613
00:22:57,430 --> 00:22:54,880
and authority figures was given off the

614
00:23:01,430 --> 00:23:00,310
no matter the case something extremely

615
00:23:05,350 --> 00:23:01,440
strange occurred

616
00:23:07,510 --> 00:23:05,360
in shack harbor on that dark cold night

617
00:23:08,630 --> 00:23:07,520
it remains one of the most compelling

618
00:23:11,350 --> 00:23:08,640
ufo cases

619
00:23:12,149 --> 00:23:11,360
of all time only bringing forth more

620
00:23:14,950 --> 00:23:12,159
questions

621
00:23:16,310 --> 00:23:14,960
than answers it's left even the most

622
00:23:19,350 --> 00:23:16,320
skeptical minds

623
00:23:21,270 --> 00:23:19,360
scratching their heads it could perhaps

624
00:23:23,909 --> 00:23:21,280
be best summarized with a quote

625
00:23:25,909 --> 00:23:23,919
from the october 14th editorial from the

626
00:23:29,270 --> 00:23:25,919
chronicle herald

627
00:23:32,789 --> 00:23:29,280
imagination or natural phenomena

628
00:23:37,669 --> 00:23:32,799
seem to be the weakest of explanations

629
00:23:39,830 --> 00:23:37,679
it has been a tough week for skeptics

630
00:23:41,269 --> 00:23:39,840
here is primary investigator chris

631
00:23:44,070 --> 00:23:41,279
styles commenting

632
00:23:45,990 --> 00:23:44,080
on the shag harper incident several

633
00:23:47,669 --> 00:23:46,000
scientists have suggested over the years

634
00:23:49,590 --> 00:23:47,679
that ufo advocates

635
00:23:51,110 --> 00:23:49,600
should call attention to a single case

636
00:23:52,789 --> 00:23:51,120
one so strong

637
00:23:54,470 --> 00:23:52,799
that it can stand up to scientific

638
00:23:58,149 --> 00:23:54,480
scrutiny and be established

639
00:23:59,830 --> 00:23:58,159
after all as a true extraordinary event

640
00:24:02,470 --> 00:23:59,840
i'm not sure that this is the best

641
00:24:04,470 --> 00:24:02,480
approach but i'm comfortable with it

642
00:24:05,990 --> 00:24:04,480
and i'm sure that science is supposed to

643
00:24:08,470 --> 00:24:06,000
conclude or do

644
00:24:10,149 --> 00:24:08,480
what it would to such a case however i

645
00:24:11,430 --> 00:24:10,159
believe that the shag harbor incident

646
00:24:13,029 --> 00:24:11,440
does fit the bill

647
00:24:14,470 --> 00:24:13,039
i don't believe that it's the only

648
00:24:16,070 --> 00:24:14,480
possible candidate

649
00:24:17,909 --> 00:24:16,080
but it's probably one of the safest

650
00:24:18,950 --> 00:24:17,919
potential ufo cases that could be

651
00:24:22,549 --> 00:24:18,960
nominated for such

652
00:24:24,350 --> 00:24:22,559
special status here's why something did

653
00:24:25,990 --> 00:24:24,360
happen on the night of october the 4th

654
00:24:27,990 --> 00:24:26,000
1967

655
00:24:29,590 --> 00:24:28,000
the eyewitnesses know this the three

656
00:24:31,269 --> 00:24:29,600
rcmp officers

657
00:24:33,590 --> 00:24:31,279
and the authorities who were there on

658
00:24:34,870 --> 00:24:33,600
scene and who saw the ufo on the water

659
00:24:37,750 --> 00:24:34,880
they all know this

660
00:24:39,830 --> 00:24:37,760
many ufo skeptics including the late

661
00:24:41,029 --> 00:24:39,840
debunk or philip class have quietly

662
00:24:43,269 --> 00:24:41,039
conceded to me

663
00:24:45,350 --> 00:24:43,279
that something extraordinary happened on

664
00:24:47,190 --> 00:24:45,360
that fall night so many years ago

665
00:24:49,669 --> 00:24:47,200
the remaining eyewitnesses have moved on

666
00:24:51,990 --> 00:24:49,679
with their lives as best they can

667
00:24:52,870 --> 00:24:52,000
most of the active and serious ufo

668
00:24:54,789 --> 00:24:52,880
community busy

669
00:24:56,549 --> 00:24:54,799
itself with the latest point of origin

670
00:24:58,870 --> 00:24:56,559
theory or research gossip

671
00:25:00,870 --> 00:24:58,880
and yet the shag harbor incident remains

672
00:25:03,029 --> 00:25:00,880
a mystery it has steadily gained

673
00:25:05,110 --> 00:25:03,039
notoriety and consideration

674
00:25:07,430 --> 00:25:05,120
since i began my reinvestigation of the

675
00:25:09,669 --> 00:25:07,440
case back in 1992.

676
00:25:11,029 --> 00:25:09,679
the shag harbor incident has refused to

677
00:25:12,870 --> 00:25:11,039
evaporate

678
00:25:14,950 --> 00:25:12,880
no one has recanted their essential

679
00:25:16,549 --> 00:25:14,960
testimony new witnesses and

680
00:25:17,110 --> 00:25:16,559
interpretations have appeared over the

681
00:25:18,789 --> 00:25:17,120
years

682
00:25:21,350 --> 00:25:18,799
and they've only served to enhance our

683
00:25:23,430 --> 00:25:21,360
understanding of the case

684
00:25:25,269 --> 00:25:23,440
the incident has even secured its place

685
00:25:27,510 --> 00:25:25,279
as part of canadian history

686
00:25:29,830 --> 00:25:27,520
the national archives of canada website

687
00:25:31,830 --> 00:25:29,840
has an entry on the shag harbor incident

688
00:25:33,350 --> 00:25:31,840
where visitors can also see an archived

689
00:25:36,789 --> 00:25:33,360
ufo report

690
00:25:39,269 --> 00:25:36,799
significantly the principal entry reads

691
00:25:40,710 --> 00:25:39,279
both the rcmp and locals have rushed to

692
00:25:42,630 --> 00:25:40,720
the shore of the harbor

693
00:25:44,950 --> 00:25:42,640
but what they encountered there was far

694
00:25:46,549 --> 00:25:44,960
from a conventional aircraft

695
00:25:49,110 --> 00:25:46,559
that page concludes with the further

696
00:25:49,990 --> 00:25:49,120
determination the department of national

697
00:25:53,430 --> 00:25:50,000
defense

698
00:25:55,350 --> 00:25:53,440
has identified the sighting as unsolved

699
00:25:56,870 --> 00:25:55,360
those statements are consistent several

700
00:25:58,470 --> 00:25:56,880
decades later with the initial

701
00:25:59,510 --> 00:25:58,480
impressions of the investigating

702
00:26:01,029 --> 00:25:59,520
agencies

703
00:26:03,350 --> 00:26:01,039
i would continue to point out that the

704
00:26:05,510 --> 00:26:03,360
shag harbor incident remains the world's

705
00:26:07,190 --> 00:26:05,520
only ufo crash scenario that is

706
00:26:09,029 --> 00:26:07,200
important in this interpretation by

707
00:26:11,190 --> 00:26:09,039
government documents that are freely

708
00:26:12,950 --> 00:26:11,200
available and they're entirely without

709
00:26:14,390 --> 00:26:12,960
controversy as to their origin or

710
00:26:16,230 --> 00:26:14,400
authenticity

711
00:26:17,750 --> 00:26:16,240
to my mind the shag harbor incident

712
00:26:19,350 --> 00:26:17,760
remains one of the most compelling

713
00:26:23,110 --> 00:26:19,360
arguments in the world today

714
00:26:25,909 --> 00:26:23,120
for what i would consider ufo reality

715
00:26:26,630 --> 00:26:25,919
also is sort of an addendum to this

716
00:26:29,510 --> 00:26:26,640
episode

717
00:26:31,909 --> 00:26:29,520
i wanted to invite jordan bonaparte host

718
00:26:34,310 --> 00:26:31,919
of the nighttime podcast to come on

719
00:26:36,789 --> 00:26:34,320
and give his thoughts on the case being

720
00:26:38,390 --> 00:26:36,799
a nova scotia resident himself

721
00:26:40,070 --> 00:26:38,400
so i'm going to leave you here with one

722
00:26:42,549 --> 00:26:40,080
of the nicest

723
00:26:43,590 --> 00:26:42,559
and most talented podcast hosts out

724
00:26:47,190 --> 00:26:43,600
there today

725
00:26:49,909 --> 00:26:47,200
jordan bonaparte hello ryan

726
00:26:51,269 --> 00:26:49,919
jordan from the nighttime podcast here

727
00:26:54,630 --> 00:26:51,279
you had told me about

728
00:26:55,269 --> 00:26:54,640
your plans to do an episode celebrating

729
00:27:01,110 --> 00:26:55,279
the

730
00:27:01,990 --> 00:27:01,120
ufo incident now with myself as a

731
00:27:04,710 --> 00:27:02,000
canadian

732
00:27:05,830 --> 00:27:04,720
who lives very near shag harbor and who

733
00:27:09,110 --> 00:27:05,840
follows

734
00:27:10,710 --> 00:27:09,120
ufo stories specifically the shag harbor

735
00:27:13,269 --> 00:27:10,720
story very closely

736
00:27:14,870 --> 00:27:13,279
i thought i'd send you a voice memo to

737
00:27:16,230 --> 00:27:14,880
tell you a little bit about what i know

738
00:27:18,310 --> 00:27:16,240
about the sighting and

739
00:27:19,990 --> 00:27:18,320
my experiences looking into it for my

740
00:27:22,549 --> 00:27:20,000
show or i've covered it

741
00:27:24,710 --> 00:27:22,559
several times and was fortunate to have

742
00:27:26,389 --> 00:27:24,720
met a lot of a lot of the eyewitnesses

743
00:27:28,149 --> 00:27:26,399
and some of the main researchers

744
00:27:31,029 --> 00:27:28,159
associated with it

745
00:27:32,070 --> 00:27:31,039
so as as a canadian involved in the ufo

746
00:27:35,830 --> 00:27:32,080
phenomenon i can

747
00:27:39,430 --> 00:27:35,840
easily easily say shag harbor is

748
00:27:41,669 --> 00:27:39,440
one of the two main ufo sightings we

749
00:27:44,070 --> 00:27:41,679
have that people look to as

750
00:27:45,430 --> 00:27:44,080
you know the biggest in canada on the

751
00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:45,440
west coast of canada

752
00:27:50,070 --> 00:27:47,919
there was the falcon lake ufo incident

753
00:27:52,549 --> 00:27:50,080
on the east coast of canada where i am

754
00:27:54,070 --> 00:27:52,559
there's the shag harbor ufo incident

755
00:27:56,230 --> 00:27:54,080
both happened

756
00:27:57,590 --> 00:27:56,240
within only a short amount of time i

757
00:27:59,590 --> 00:27:57,600
believe about a year and in the

758
00:28:01,830 --> 00:27:59,600
difference between the two of them

759
00:28:03,350 --> 00:28:01,840
but the shag harbor ufo incident at

760
00:28:06,710 --> 00:28:03,360
least in my opinion

761
00:28:10,549 --> 00:28:06,720
is the the most reputable

762
00:28:14,389 --> 00:28:10,559
the most fascinating and just the most

763
00:28:14,870 --> 00:28:14,399
noteworthy ufo incident in my opinion as

764
00:28:17,669 --> 00:28:14,880
well

765
00:28:18,950 --> 00:28:17,679
not just in canada in the world and the

766
00:28:22,070 --> 00:28:18,960
reason for that

767
00:28:25,029 --> 00:28:22,080
is in this case in shag harbor

768
00:28:25,909 --> 00:28:25,039
it's it's not a group of two guys who

769
00:28:28,470 --> 00:28:25,919
saw it

770
00:28:29,269 --> 00:28:28,480
or you know two separate groups of three

771
00:28:31,909 --> 00:28:29,279
that sought

772
00:28:32,630 --> 00:28:31,919
it's it's a community that that saw this

773
00:28:35,590 --> 00:28:32,640
when

774
00:28:38,789 --> 00:28:35,600
the lights flew over shag harbor and

775
00:28:40,149 --> 00:28:38,799
seemingly crashed into the waters

776
00:28:42,389 --> 00:28:40,159
there were people all over that

777
00:28:44,389 --> 00:28:42,399
community that that noticed it

778
00:28:46,389 --> 00:28:44,399
they all you know a lot of them all went

779
00:28:49,190 --> 00:28:46,399
to the waterfront where the

780
00:28:50,230 --> 00:28:49,200
where the object was thought to have

781
00:28:53,909 --> 00:28:50,240
crashed into

782
00:28:55,830 --> 00:28:53,919
and where lights were visible

783
00:28:57,430 --> 00:28:55,840
a crowd gathered there of citizens and

784
00:28:59,669 --> 00:28:57,440
they watched the lights

785
00:29:01,669 --> 00:28:59,679
they were there as the coast as you know

786
00:29:03,830 --> 00:29:01,679
the searchers arrived and

787
00:29:05,510 --> 00:29:03,840
some of them even you know uh banded

788
00:29:07,029 --> 00:29:05,520
together and hopped on fishing boats and

789
00:29:08,389 --> 00:29:07,039
went over the over to where the lights

790
00:29:09,750 --> 00:29:08,399
were seen in the water

791
00:29:11,269 --> 00:29:09,760
thinking that they were going to be

792
00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:11,279
approaching the scene of like an

793
00:29:15,510 --> 00:29:13,679
aircraft accident or something but

794
00:29:16,789 --> 00:29:15,520
again as i'm sure you'll get into in

795
00:29:19,510 --> 00:29:16,799
your episode all they

796
00:29:21,269 --> 00:29:19,520
really found over there was some odd

797
00:29:23,350 --> 00:29:21,279
yellow foam that was said to have a

798
00:29:27,590 --> 00:29:23,360
sulfuric smell to it

799
00:29:30,870 --> 00:29:27,600
but anyway when you get into the ufo

800
00:29:33,269 --> 00:29:30,880
sightings and events so

801
00:29:33,909 --> 00:29:33,279
seldom is there any kind of physical

802
00:29:35,909 --> 00:29:33,919
evidence

803
00:29:38,149 --> 00:29:35,919
and because of that we're left looking

804
00:29:41,269 --> 00:29:38,159
to the eyewitness accounts and

805
00:29:41,669 --> 00:29:41,279
gauging the you know the the reputation

806
00:29:46,230 --> 00:29:41,679
of

807
00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:46,240
their story over the years to see if

808
00:29:48,870 --> 00:29:47,760
there's any changes in it that may

809
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:48,880
indicate

810
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:53,200
you know maybe um either dishonesty

811
00:29:59,750 --> 00:29:57,200
or exaggeration in shag harbor

812
00:30:00,870 --> 00:29:59,760
you don't have that the witnesses who

813
00:30:04,230 --> 00:30:00,880
were there

814
00:30:05,990 --> 00:30:04,240
that night in 67 in a lot of cases

815
00:30:08,870 --> 00:30:06,000
they're still living in shag harbor

816
00:30:11,029 --> 00:30:08,880
they attend the annual ufo convention

817
00:30:12,230 --> 00:30:11,039
that's put on there the ufo festival in

818
00:30:14,630 --> 00:30:12,240
shag harbor

819
00:30:15,510 --> 00:30:14,640
and they've been telling the same story

820
00:30:19,430 --> 00:30:15,520
for

821
00:30:21,750 --> 00:30:19,440
years and all they really want is

822
00:30:22,870 --> 00:30:21,760
both some people to believe them and

823
00:30:24,710 --> 00:30:22,880
take it seriously

824
00:30:26,470 --> 00:30:24,720
but also they just want an explanation

825
00:30:28,950 --> 00:30:26,480
for what had happened i

826
00:30:31,350 --> 00:30:28,960
i've been fortunate where again i lived

827
00:30:32,870 --> 00:30:31,360
near there i i went to the ufo festival

828
00:30:35,190 --> 00:30:32,880
i think the last

829
00:30:37,269 --> 00:30:35,200
five or six years i was a speaker at

830
00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:37,279
last year's when

831
00:30:40,710 --> 00:30:38,480
i'm sure you're aware of this but the

832
00:30:43,830 --> 00:30:40,720
royal canadian mint issued

833
00:30:44,789 --> 00:30:43,840
a commemorative coin that was

834
00:30:48,389 --> 00:30:44,799
celebrating the

835
00:30:49,510 --> 00:30:48,399
uh the the ufo event so the last year's

836
00:30:51,190 --> 00:30:49,520
festival was

837
00:30:52,710 --> 00:30:51,200
there was a lot of publicity surrounding

838
00:30:54,389 --> 00:30:52,720
it mainly because of the release of this

839
00:30:57,590 --> 00:30:54,399
coin which is quite

840
00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:57,600
quite spectacular but um anyway at the

841
00:31:02,870 --> 00:30:59,600
ufo festivals you have

842
00:31:04,310 --> 00:31:02,880
those same witnesses uh they want belief

843
00:31:06,950 --> 00:31:04,320
they want someone to explain to them

844
00:31:09,430 --> 00:31:06,960
what what what had happened

845
00:31:12,230 --> 00:31:09,440
and their stories haven't changed

846
00:31:14,549 --> 00:31:12,240
there's very little exaggeration but

847
00:31:16,070 --> 00:31:14,559
when you meet these people it's not like

848
00:31:17,669 --> 00:31:16,080
going to

849
00:31:19,430 --> 00:31:17,679
again i'll try to paint the picture as

850
00:31:21,110 --> 00:31:19,440
someone who's been to the ufo festival

851
00:31:24,470 --> 00:31:21,120
in shag harbor a lot it's

852
00:31:28,070 --> 00:31:24,480
you drive to the middle of nowhere

853
00:31:28,710 --> 00:31:28,080
and it's this tiny little fishing

854
00:31:30,070 --> 00:31:28,720
community

855
00:31:32,070 --> 00:31:30,080
that you're almost like when you get

856
00:31:34,470 --> 00:31:32,080
there it's so far away

857
00:31:35,909 --> 00:31:34,480
from anything of you know that you would

858
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:35,919
expect to

859
00:31:39,990 --> 00:31:37,679
go to if you come to nova scotia as a

860
00:31:40,710 --> 00:31:40,000
tourist let's say you're driving so far

861
00:31:42,389 --> 00:31:40,720
away from that

862
00:31:43,909 --> 00:31:42,399
it's almost when you get to shag harbor

863
00:31:44,549 --> 00:31:43,919
you would almost question why people

864
00:31:47,990 --> 00:31:44,559
even live

865
00:31:50,389 --> 00:31:48,000
way out there but what you do find is

866
00:31:52,389 --> 00:31:50,399
a odd looking yellow building with like

867
00:31:53,350 --> 00:31:52,399
a sign on the front of it that says ufo

868
00:31:54,710 --> 00:31:53,360
museum

869
00:31:56,470 --> 00:31:54,720
and then there's a little spot where

870
00:31:58,389 --> 00:31:56,480
there's a on the side

871
00:32:00,149 --> 00:31:58,399
like on the shoreline where there's a

872
00:32:00,870 --> 00:32:00,159
sign show you know pointing over there

873
00:32:02,950 --> 00:32:00,880
saying that

874
00:32:04,310 --> 00:32:02,960
this is the site of the ufo sighting of

875
00:32:07,350 --> 00:32:04,320
67

876
00:32:08,710 --> 00:32:07,360
but it's it's a really cool place and

877
00:32:10,230 --> 00:32:08,720
when you go to the ufo

878
00:32:12,149 --> 00:32:10,240
conventions there it's just that like

879
00:32:13,590 --> 00:32:12,159
the kind of a community hall where you'd

880
00:32:15,430 --> 00:32:13,600
expect a bingo

881
00:32:16,630 --> 00:32:15,440
game or something but when you get in

882
00:32:18,710 --> 00:32:16,640
there it's not like

883
00:32:20,470 --> 00:32:18,720
a star trek convention or something with

884
00:32:23,590 --> 00:32:20,480
all these strange sci-fi

885
00:32:24,230 --> 00:32:23,600
kind of things happening you see and

886
00:32:25,590 --> 00:32:24,240
much like

887
00:32:27,509 --> 00:32:25,600
i guess the crowd that would be at a

888
00:32:28,230 --> 00:32:27,519
bingo game you just see all members of

889
00:32:31,110 --> 00:32:28,240
the community

890
00:32:31,509 --> 00:32:31,120
in there they all have a story about the

891
00:32:33,509 --> 00:32:31,519
night

892
00:32:34,789 --> 00:32:33,519
you know the ufo flew over and crashed

893
00:32:35,990 --> 00:32:34,799
into the water

894
00:32:37,909 --> 00:32:36,000
they're not really they're not trying to

895
00:32:40,870 --> 00:32:37,919
capitalize on it um

896
00:32:41,990 --> 00:32:40,880
financially uh they're just there to

897
00:32:44,549 --> 00:32:42,000
tell their story and it's

898
00:32:45,430 --> 00:32:44,559
almost like it's almost like going to

899
00:32:47,990 --> 00:32:45,440
like in

900
00:32:50,149 --> 00:32:48,000
like a aaa meeting except instead of

901
00:32:52,470 --> 00:32:50,159
them sharing the story of you know

902
00:32:54,149 --> 00:32:52,480
how they started drinking or something

903
00:32:57,190 --> 00:32:54,159
it's you know the story of

904
00:32:59,430 --> 00:32:57,200
you know my dad he to his dying day

905
00:33:01,350 --> 00:32:59,440
swore he saw it that night or

906
00:33:04,070 --> 00:33:01,360
you know or i was a little kid and i saw

907
00:33:05,909 --> 00:33:04,080
it and i've never gotten over it so it's

908
00:33:07,669 --> 00:33:05,919
the people who listen to your show that

909
00:33:10,870 --> 00:33:07,679
are that are

910
00:33:11,669 --> 00:33:10,880
really like the the ufo heads like they

911
00:33:13,909 --> 00:33:11,679
gotta

912
00:33:15,269 --> 00:33:13,919
make a pilgrimage to nova scotia and

913
00:33:16,870 --> 00:33:15,279
attend this convention

914
00:33:18,549 --> 00:33:16,880
because i've been to a lot of ufo

915
00:33:21,669 --> 00:33:18,559
conventions that

916
00:33:22,070 --> 00:33:21,679
seem more interested in selling product

917
00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:22,080
and

918
00:33:28,310 --> 00:33:25,279
or or

919
00:33:29,110 --> 00:33:28,320
promoting tv shows or specific groups or

920
00:33:32,230 --> 00:33:29,120
something

921
00:33:35,430 --> 00:33:32,240
the shag harbor ufo festival is

922
00:33:39,029 --> 00:33:35,440
the most sincere and genuine where it is

923
00:33:40,870 --> 00:33:39,039
absolutely just an event where

924
00:33:42,230 --> 00:33:40,880
the eyewitnesses are there and the

925
00:33:45,669 --> 00:33:42,240
community is there

926
00:33:47,990 --> 00:33:45,679
and they're just celebrating slash

927
00:33:49,430 --> 00:33:48,000
leaning on each other with the story so

928
00:33:52,870 --> 00:33:49,440
it's a cool spot

929
00:33:53,750 --> 00:33:52,880
but yeah i guess for me what makes it so

930
00:33:56,870 --> 00:33:53,760
fascinating

931
00:34:01,269 --> 00:33:56,880
is how many people saw it

932
00:34:04,070 --> 00:34:01,279
how there's no explanation for it

933
00:34:05,909 --> 00:34:04,080
it's there's a there's a lot of theories

934
00:34:07,750 --> 00:34:05,919
some people think it was flares that

935
00:34:09,909 --> 00:34:07,760
were maybe being tested

936
00:34:11,669 --> 00:34:09,919
some people think it could have been a

937
00:34:14,629 --> 00:34:11,679
um

938
00:34:15,750 --> 00:34:14,639
a satellite just passing through the sky

939
00:34:19,109 --> 00:34:15,760
that just kind of

940
00:34:20,790 --> 00:34:19,119
tricked them then there's the

941
00:34:22,550 --> 00:34:20,800
you probably know more about this if you

942
00:34:23,349 --> 00:34:22,560
read 2d if you read deep into shag

943
00:34:25,349 --> 00:34:23,359
harbor but i

944
00:34:28,310 --> 00:34:25,359
i think it was called the corona

945
00:34:31,109 --> 00:34:28,320
satellite which was a

946
00:34:33,109 --> 00:34:31,119
uh intelligent satellite used during the

947
00:34:36,869 --> 00:34:33,119
cold war that

948
00:34:37,829 --> 00:34:36,879
as it um as it made its way around earth

949
00:34:40,869 --> 00:34:37,839
when it went over

950
00:34:42,790 --> 00:34:40,879
like russia was taking photos and you

951
00:34:44,550 --> 00:34:42,800
know back in 67 the photos that it'd be

952
00:34:46,069 --> 00:34:44,560
taking are on film of course

953
00:34:48,310 --> 00:34:46,079
and then when it makes its way back

954
00:34:49,510 --> 00:34:48,320
around this part of the world where i am

955
00:34:52,470 --> 00:34:49,520
in nova scotia

956
00:34:54,389 --> 00:34:52,480
it would drop these these canisters of

957
00:34:55,829 --> 00:34:54,399
the film negatives

958
00:34:57,430 --> 00:34:55,839
it would land into the water and a

959
00:34:58,630 --> 00:34:57,440
submarine would pick it up and develop

960
00:35:00,630 --> 00:34:58,640
it and they would use that to get

961
00:35:04,310 --> 00:35:00,640
intelligence during the cold war

962
00:35:06,870 --> 00:35:04,320
uh there's a lot of people theorize that

963
00:35:08,069 --> 00:35:06,880
the whole shag harbor ufo incident may

964
00:35:11,109 --> 00:35:08,079
have just been

965
00:35:13,030 --> 00:35:11,119
people watching the um the corona

966
00:35:16,069 --> 00:35:13,040
satellite drop its uh

967
00:35:17,270 --> 00:35:16,079
its film canisters or whatnot

968
00:35:19,910 --> 00:35:17,280
which i believe would have been

969
00:35:23,510 --> 00:35:19,920
accompanied by a flare to allow

970
00:35:25,990 --> 00:35:23,520
the um the submarine to collect it but

971
00:35:28,310 --> 00:35:26,000
if you ask laurie wickens who is the

972
00:35:30,390 --> 00:35:28,320
main eyewitness for shag harbor

973
00:35:32,150 --> 00:35:30,400
i say the main eyewitness because he was

974
00:35:34,470 --> 00:35:32,160
the first one to call the police and

975
00:35:36,150 --> 00:35:34,480
he's the one most often people will will

976
00:35:38,550 --> 00:35:36,160
cite when talking about this sighting

977
00:35:41,349 --> 00:35:38,560
but if you ask him or any of the other

978
00:35:43,349 --> 00:35:41,359
men or women that saw this

979
00:35:44,710 --> 00:35:43,359
i haven't met one of them who actually

980
00:35:46,950 --> 00:35:44,720
saw it who said ah

981
00:35:49,030 --> 00:35:46,960
i agree it was you know a satellite

982
00:35:51,750 --> 00:35:49,040
dropping something or it was a flare

983
00:35:53,829 --> 00:35:51,760
they all say you know whatever we saw

984
00:35:55,910 --> 00:35:53,839
was nothing

985
00:35:58,550 --> 00:35:55,920
nothing normal or typical it was

986
00:36:00,710 --> 00:35:58,560
something you know very special and

987
00:36:02,630 --> 00:36:00,720
i think i believe i think i believe them

988
00:36:04,069 --> 00:36:02,640
to be honest you you get when you go to

989
00:36:05,910 --> 00:36:04,079
shag harbor

990
00:36:07,510 --> 00:36:05,920
you get a special kind of feeling it

991
00:36:08,630 --> 00:36:07,520
just has that if you've watched like

992
00:36:11,670 --> 00:36:08,640
twin peaks

993
00:36:12,470 --> 00:36:11,680
the feeling that david lynch manages to

994
00:36:15,270 --> 00:36:12,480
capture

995
00:36:17,270 --> 00:36:15,280
in the fictitious town of twin peaks i

996
00:36:18,710 --> 00:36:17,280
get a lot of that in shag harbor and i

997
00:36:19,829 --> 00:36:18,720
think even if i didn't know about the

998
00:36:22,310 --> 00:36:19,839
ufo event

999
00:36:23,349 --> 00:36:22,320
and i ended up in shag harbor for some

1000
00:36:25,349 --> 00:36:23,359
reason

1001
00:36:26,390 --> 00:36:25,359
you'd be like you know this place is a

1002
00:36:27,750 --> 00:36:26,400
little weird

1003
00:36:29,670 --> 00:36:27,760
it's the kind of place where if you

1004
00:36:32,710 --> 00:36:29,680
walked off into the woods or something

1005
00:36:34,710 --> 00:36:32,720
you'd probably find some

1006
00:36:36,470 --> 00:36:34,720
really interesting things just i don't

1007
00:36:38,310 --> 00:36:36,480
know it's just it has this kind of magic

1008
00:36:41,430 --> 00:36:38,320
about it and i think if

1009
00:36:42,870 --> 00:36:41,440
if extraterrestrial life if you believe

1010
00:36:45,109 --> 00:36:42,880
in that sort of thing if they were going

1011
00:36:47,030 --> 00:36:45,119
to touch down on earth and

1012
00:36:48,550 --> 00:36:47,040
get up to something you know shag hard

1013
00:36:50,230 --> 00:36:48,560
would be a pretty uh

1014
00:36:51,750 --> 00:36:50,240
pretty ideal spot to do it it's

1015
00:36:56,470 --> 00:36:51,760
beautiful there

1016
00:36:59,750 --> 00:36:56,480
the people are a real pure-hearted

1017
00:37:00,550 --> 00:36:59,760
and it's just us a special a special

1018
00:37:03,109 --> 00:37:00,560
place and

1019
00:37:04,470 --> 00:37:03,119
the shag harbor event is a special event

1020
00:37:07,270 --> 00:37:04,480
i think um

1021
00:37:08,069 --> 00:37:07,280
the only reason it's not spoken about

1022
00:37:12,230 --> 00:37:08,079
like like

1023
00:37:13,030 --> 00:37:12,240
roswell is simply because it happened in

1024
00:37:15,190 --> 00:37:13,040
canada

1025
00:37:17,030 --> 00:37:15,200
and a lot of fascinating stuff happens

1026
00:37:18,950 --> 00:37:17,040
in canada but for whatever reason it

1027
00:37:20,950 --> 00:37:18,960
just doesn't make itself

1028
00:37:23,750 --> 00:37:20,960
known across the border it kind of stays

1029
00:37:25,750 --> 00:37:23,760
here and shag harbor is kind of like

1030
00:37:27,109 --> 00:37:25,760
our little secret i think for the

1031
00:37:30,069 --> 00:37:27,119
canadian ufo

1032
00:37:32,630 --> 00:37:30,079
enthusiasts it's fascinating the

1033
00:37:36,310 --> 00:37:32,640
government was involved and investigated

1034
00:37:38,550 --> 00:37:36,320
there's the researchers who who

1035
00:37:40,230 --> 00:37:38,560
most closely follow this like chris

1036
00:37:42,710 --> 00:37:40,240
styles and don ledger

1037
00:37:43,910 --> 00:37:42,720
they did an amazing job and and they

1038
00:37:46,790 --> 00:37:43,920
shared their work

1039
00:37:47,270 --> 00:37:46,800
in a series of books there's a book

1040
00:37:51,349 --> 00:37:47,280
called

1041
00:37:54,710 --> 00:37:51,359
dark object that i can't recommend

1042
00:37:56,190 --> 00:37:54,720
enough it's um written by chris styles

1043
00:37:57,430 --> 00:37:56,200
and don ledger who are the

1044
00:37:59,190 --> 00:37:57,440
[Music]

1045
00:38:01,349 --> 00:37:59,200
two main researchers i guess that

1046
00:38:04,310 --> 00:38:01,359
brought this story into the public eye

1047
00:38:04,710 --> 00:38:04,320
um and it was ish and it was published

1048
00:38:07,750 --> 00:38:04,720
on

1049
00:38:10,550 --> 00:38:07,760
whitley strieber's um

1050
00:38:12,390 --> 00:38:10,560
pr um book publishing company he had at

1051
00:38:14,550 --> 00:38:12,400
one point i don't know if he still does

1052
00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:14,560
but uh the book's amazing and it and it

1053
00:38:18,470 --> 00:38:16,160
tells the story in

1054
00:38:20,710 --> 00:38:18,480
way more detail than i ever could or

1055
00:38:24,150 --> 00:38:20,720
your episode likely will be able to

1056
00:38:26,150 --> 00:38:24,160
but um but yeah shag harbor is one of

1057
00:38:28,790 --> 00:38:26,160
the fascinating stories

1058
00:38:30,630 --> 00:38:28,800
that canadians share but people beyond

1059
00:38:32,710 --> 00:38:30,640
canada may not know about

1060
00:38:34,630 --> 00:38:32,720
anyway ryan i hope uh you get down to

1061
00:38:36,150 --> 00:38:34,640
the shag harbor festival in fact i think

1062
00:38:37,190 --> 00:38:36,160
you were supposed to be here this week

1063
00:38:40,230 --> 00:38:37,200
or this year

1064
00:38:43,510 --> 00:38:40,240
and the coronavirus um

1065
00:38:44,470 --> 00:38:43,520
put a stop to it so hopefully next year

1066
00:38:47,270 --> 00:38:44,480
you can make it and

1067
00:39:04,550 --> 00:38:47,280
um if you do drinks are on me buddy

1068
00:39:08,550 --> 00:39:06,470
somewhere in the skies is produced by

1069
00:39:11,230 --> 00:39:08,560
third kind productions in association